See for yourself, this how missiles damage is calculated:

Damage = Base_Damage * MIN(sig/Er, 1, (Ev/Er * sig/vel)^(log(drf) / log(5.5)))

Where
sig = ship's signature
vel = ship's velocity
Er = Explosion Radius of missile
Ev = Explosion Velocity of missile
drf = Damage Reduction Factor of missile

DRF is a value based on missile type which is visible on the charge info page:
Rocket = 3.0
Light Missile = 2.8
Assault Missile = 4.5
Heavy Missile = 3.2
Torpedo = 5.0
Cruise Missile = 4.5
Citadel Torpedo = 5.5
Citadel Cruise Missile = 4.5

Obviously its good to use TP, it increase your DPS a lot. Explosion velocity increase your DPS too, but the primary dmg indicator is the signature of the ship.

Transversal is never zero unless you are EHP bashing or stumble upon someone who had a bathroom emergency (ie. AFK). Controlling/minimizing transversal is a large part of successful use of guns, but you are right to defeat the explosion radius you need a module, specifically a TP which is a fair trade considering you potentially do 100% damage at all ranges without having to switch ammo (no optimal/falloff concerns).

Yeah, why not. lets build a ship that can outrun missiles. That guy did it, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tF1Up_xXSI

improve explosion velocity that kills the dmg ...u can add 10000% to its dmg the target ship can speed tank u so give it more Explosion velocity




bro this dmg upgrade is like the artilery one ...u got tons of dmg but crap tracking u cant apply it ..is usless ...they should make decent dmg and applyable ..also where is the balance between this ships i dono tbh ..

MIssiles are specialized on dealing full damage to ships of HIGHER size..or same size target painted. Nothig wrogn with that, because they can do more damage/projection combination than any other weapon system. That is the price they pay... and I say that as someone that currently use basically only missiles in PVP.

So this task is not a Task for aeronautical engineering, its a task for the computer science or mathematics. This formula doesnt depends on the location from you or your target, thats good and bad at the same time. You can deal always 100%, it doesnt matter where your enemy is, but the enemy can really easy speed tank your missiles. An Afterburner is enough and your missiles will deal 50%-75% less dmg.

Ancient history now, but this is what they were trying to do with missiles a long time ago....

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=79439

Basically - takes time to accelerate, so the bigger missiles would have poor agility straight out of the tubes, and therefore difficulty hitting smaller stuff up close.

Never was too sure why it didn't work, they just pulled the plug on it and eventually went with the explosion radius/velocity approach. Shame really, could have been a cool system, with scope for adding things like minimum 'arming' distance.

BIG END NOTE: This is step one in missile changes in progress, mentioned before and currently in tuning on the development server is physics changes to missile agility and how they keep track of targets at close and long range, making it so that the bigger missiles guide better at long range but not as well at close range (similar to how long range battleship turrets track frigates at long range).

My formula is:
Real DMG = DMG * min(Sig/Er,max(min(Y-vel,1),cos(min((vel-Y)/(Y*DRF),3.1415))/2.222+0.55))

Y = Sig * Ev / Er
vel = ship's velocity
sig = ship's signature
Er = Explosion Radius of missile
Ev = Explosion Velocity of missile
DRF = Damage reducing factor

Formulas:
min(400/247.5,max(min(167.27-x,1),cos(min((x-167.27)/(167.27*1.5),3.1415))/2.222+0.55));
min(400/247.5, min(1, (103.5/247.5 * 400/x)^(log(4.5)/log(5.5))))

No Feedback for my Hard work?

property's of my Formula:
- You can set a minimum
- You can adjust the dmg application with DRF
- The dmg application depends on the speed of the target, but the dmg curve is a cosine function, so the dmg dont get much worse if the break-even is passed.

The Forumla is using all factors. Its what Y = Sig * Ev / Er is for.
It may appear different, but there is no difference, except it use a cosine function. Otherwise show me an example where the Formula behaves strange.

If you get webed or painted, your speed decrease or your Sig-Radius is increased. This facts will surly change the dmg you are doing.

property's of my Formula:
- You can set a minimum
- You can adjust the dmg application with DRF
- The dmg application depends on the speed of the target, but the dmg curve is a cosine function, so the dmg dont get much worse if the break-even is passed.

The Dmg-Application Graph, which i posted dont show the missiles speed, its showing the speed of the ship.

Y = Sig * Ev / Er
vel = ship's velocity
sig = ship's signature
Er = Explosion Radius of missile
Ev = Explosion Velocity of missile
DRF = Damage reducing factor

There is no missiles speed involved.

To offset the nearly instant application of damage the damage could be reduced *some* to put missiles back into proper par with turrets. The main balancing attribrute would be the longer base ROF of missile launchers to turrets. Thereby reducing the dps that is actually felt.

In addition, I would suggest that the anti-missile system be changed to a mid-slot or utility-high not launcher/turret based system. Game-mechanic would be a directed or pulsed energy projector that targets missiles like smartbombs. The difference from smart bombs being that it harms only missiles not drones or enemy ships. Using that kind of anti-missile system idea would allow any pilot or raced ship to fit it. Thus not restricting people as the present and worthless defender missiles do.

Thoughts?

*Idea: Make the missile accelerate using an X^2 curve. That would mean that it should be more 'balanced' at closer ranges as well.

But you like the idea of ships accelerating right? Missiles are essentially no different in terms of physics. If CCP made use of that fact it could/would help a lot in the balancing of weapon systems.

That said, if I really want to be an ******* and technically so, bullets also are affected by acceleration. However, that would make things far more complicated than necassary.

What I'm actually asking is: why should the missile damage reduction curve be smoother? It changes all missiles. Why should ccp changes all missiles just because the cruise and/or torpedo has problem?

Unless I was mistaken you have been advocating that missiles be different throughout the thread. So on that ground, changing the missile mechanics for range and flight would be fine.

I want missile systems to be as effective at damage application as turrets.

Only when missiles can apply damage as efficiently as turrets will they be on even-ground. Till then they are not!

Nah, that's not what I'm doing. I guess all missile-users know where the flaw is. The point is, that you'ld need to figure out how much damage a missile should do against targets of various sizes and at various speeds before you change the formula. Yes, a new formula would make sense, but it's a thin line between OP and useless.

It isn't as easy as proposing a new formula based on RL physics.. It needs to fit for EvE..

You want to Split the function into 2 parts so far i get it, but the other part ... well in most cases a image of your function would be nice to understand what you mean. You can use even Paint to do it.

Edit: remember to explain, why do you think it need to be split into 2 parts.